GM and Ford May Collaborate on Powertrains

By Chris Haak

08.05.2008

According to yesterday’s Detroit News, GM recently approached its crosstown rival, Ford, about the possibility of developing engines and other powertrain technologies together. According to the article’s unnamed sources, it was GM that made the initial overtures to Ford. After some internal discussions weighing the benefits and costs of collaborating with a competitor, Ford’s Board of Directors authorized negotiations with GM, and high-level executives from the two companies have had several meetings to discuss areas where they might work together.

While it would have been absolutely unheard of several years ago for the fierce rivals to work together on anything, the move is not altogether unprecedented. Ford and GM collaborated on the development of six-speed automatic transmissions a few years ago. Also, of course, GM chose to invite partners to participate in the development (and more importantly, funding) of the two-mode hybrid system. DaimlerChrysler and BMW participated in that project, and this fall, Chrysler LLC is rolling out its first models with the system, the Durango and Aspen full-size SUV hybrids. One interesting offshoot of the GM/Chrysler collaboration on the two-mode project is that the Durango/Aspen and Tahoe/Yukon hybrids will directly compete with one another, and the Silverado/Sierra and Ram hybrids will directly compete with each other, all having basically the same hybrid system. In the case of the Durango and Aspen, Chrysler has decided to attack the Tahoe/Yukon’s weakest point, their price, by undercutting the GM SUVs by several thousand dollars.

In a Ford-GM powertrain collaboration, what could be expected?

Large V8s. Ford has had an on again/off again project for years to develop competitive large-displacement V8s for their trucks. The Boss V8 (nee Hurricane) was to displace 6.2 liters and produce around 400 horsepower, naturally aspirated. The project is up in the air right now thanks to the 35 mpg CAFE rules. Meanwhile, GM happens to have well-regarded small block V8s in mass production that displace 6.2 liters and produce around 400 horsepower. Sure, Henry Ford might be rolling in his grave at the prospect of a Chevy engine in the flagship F-150, but would buyers mind if it gave them the power they need in a large truck without the cost and complexity of a supercharger?

Four Cylinders. GM has a well-regarded 2.0 liter direct injection turbocharged four cylinder in production, available in the Solstice GXP, Sky Redline, HHR SS, and Cobalt SS. GM is also only a year or two from a small 1.4 liter turbo four cylinder that will offer significantly better fuel economy than the current naturally aspirated 2.2 liter four cylinder, with similar power ratings.

Turbocharging/Direct Injection. Ford plans to quickly push EcoBoost (twin turbocharging plus direct injection) technology throughout its lineup during the next couple of model years. (The accompanying photo is of the EcoBoost system’s inner workings, courtesy of Ford). While GM has the technology, it has not as fully embraced it as Ford has, to where Ford is basically offering engines with two fewer cylinders than normal, but adding DI and a turbo (for example, applications that typically called for a V8, like full-size pickups, would have a twin turbo six cylinder instead, yet still manage better power and efficiency than a conventional V8 could muster). GM could learn a lot from Ford’s EcoBoost R&D, toward the obvious goal of improving fuel economy.

Twin-Clutch Gearboxes. Ford plans to install twin-clutch gearboxes in several of its models in the coming years as another method of improving fuel economy and performance slightly. GM has not announced any DSG-like transmissions. In fact, although the companies collaborated on a six-speed transmission project, Ford is a year or two ahead of GM in offering conventional six-speed automatics in more and more of its models. GM should pay attention to Ford’s research in twin-clutch gearboxes for both fuel economy improvements (perhaps in mainstream midsize sedans) and in performance cars (wouldn’t it be great if the Corvette automatics had a more sophisticated transmission than an automatic with a power-sapping torque converter?)

Hybrids. Ford sells three popular “full hybrid” vehicles (although they’re all basically the same – the Escape, Mariner, and Tribute), while GM’s only full hybrids are full-size SUVs, and soon pickups. Meanwhile, Ford doesn’t offer hybrid powertrains in their large vehicles, and GM is likely licking its chops at the thought of passing some of the two-mode hybrid’s development costs (and building economies of scale more quickly, reducing costs and therefore sale prices or losses endured on the expensive system).

Also, although the much-ballyhooed Chevy Volt range extended electric vehicle is not a hybrid, GM should also license the Volt’s technology to Ford to again more quickly drive up volume and drive down costs so that the company isn’t forced to endure heavy losses subsidizing the Volt or price a compact car (albeit a technically sophisticated one) in the $40,000 range for long.

Of course, the other possibility is that nothing will come from these discussions and Ford and GM will continue to move in their separate directions. However, with both companies literally fighting for their lives – and watching cash burn closely – it seems to make sense for them both to try to maximize their product development dollars and not try to reinvent the wheel – or the V8, as the case may be. Heck, Daimler and BMW are going to start working together on stuff like this, so why not Ford and GM?

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Author: Chris Haak

Chris is Autosavant's Managing Editor. He has a lifelong love of everything automotive, having grown up as the son of a car dealer. A married father of two sons, Chris is also in the process of indoctrinating them into the world of cars and trucks.

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  1. While you’re at it, Ford and GM, you better invite a UAW guy to the meetings. Someone’s losing an engine/transmission plant or two (or three), if this happens. Might as well get the union informed ahead of time.

    As for cannibalistic competition, I think both companies are just hoping to survive, so that’s just not as important as it might have been five years ago.

    Someone on Autoblog introduced the not-so wacky idea of sharing platforms (i.e. Fusion/Malibu). This is the wave of the future, if not the present. Much of our consumer electronics industry is already built around the idea. Build a LCD TV in Taiwan, slap “X” name on it. All “Z” brand does is redesign the fascia, but the guts are largely the same.

  2. I don’t know, it seems like two alcoholics getting married with the idea that they’ll help each get sober. Lovely sentiment, but what are the odds of success?

    Does it seem like this could possibly work? GM and Ford have a lot of what the other has, and not much of what the other needs.

  3. Another possibility to add might be the diesel engines, sure with the old 350 Oldsmobile diesel engine disaster and some states who forbid car diesels powered (but allows 18-wheelers) but with the upcoming of ULSD and biodiesel, maybe diesel will get a second chance. For the V8 diesels, GM get the upcoming 4.5L Duramax while Ford works on a 4.4L V8 derivated from the V6 Ford-Peugeot. Ford maybe wants to drop the Powerstroke from Navistar(International) to get the Duramax 6.6L

    In the V6 line-up, Ford in Europe get the 2.7L they did in a joint-venture with Peugeot while GM will use the 2.9L V6 from VM Motori (now owned by around 50% by GM).

    The 4-cyl diesel Ford Duratorq done with the collaboration of Peugeot could help GM in some way to find a substitute for the Multijet they did with Fiat.

    Then for transmissions, they could work for a 6-speed auto or even 7 or 8-speed for their RWD sedans

  4. Anonymous

    Are you referring to my comment on Autoblog?

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